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| Amos wrote: | Hi Claire,
What about David - was he a Christian? |
Which makes me ask - Was Jesus a Christian?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:00 pm |
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| So what is going to happen tomorrow? |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:14 am |
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URL,
Yes, King David WAS a "Christian" ... again, not as a social label but in the core theology of the matter ...
King David testifies his knowledge of Christ through his prophetic writings of Christ in the Psalms ... if he did not know Christ and the intimate details he would not have been able to put that into his poetry.
Is Christ a christian? That is in essence a silly question ... you can not be your own "groupie" you asked this on NGLreturns as well. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:43 pm |
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| Neither David nor Jesus were Christians. They were both Jews. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:05 pm |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:33 pm |
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| MDM wrote: | | Neither David nor Jesus were Christians. They were both Jews. |
Obviously, Christ believed in Himself, His salvation and His teachings/message. Christ set the example for us to follow. Yes, He was a perfectly devout Jew, but what does the word "Jew" mean? Obviously, Jesus had a plan which was different from that of "the Jews;" His intention was to reach both the Gentiles and Jews; to establish a Church on earth (Christ told the Apostles to "preach to all the nations" and to "baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" - He took things in a new direction - this was different from the Jewish religious practices). Also, Christ said that some people (Jews as well as Gentiles) would accept Him and His teachings, while others would not - He knew the directions to which His teachings would go. Did David recognise a Saviour/Christ? Or, did David deny Christ? I think the Psalms answer these questions. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:22 pm |
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Nooooo.. as has been pointed out neither David or Jesus can be seen a being "Christian" because Christian is a Greek phrase that was coined in the late first century to those who followed the teaching of Sh'ual.
The followers of Yehoshua followed their own brand of Judaism until it was superseded by the alternate gentile version promoted by Sh'ual and the Yehoshua movement just fades into the background...
As for nglreturns I'm not going back there - it brings out the worst in me.. no, in fact, certain posters there bring out the worst in me... |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:33 pm |
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| Christ knew he was the fulfilment of everything whicvh had gone before. He also knew he would usher in a new law, for this is what he preached. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:53 pm |
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Well to be honest I don't think they do... and neither would David.
What does the word "Jew" mean?? Ohhh well this is where it gets interesting - You wont find it in the Hebrew bible, the closest you'll find is the word "Yahadut" (which is interestingly derived from the the Greek word Ioydaismos).
Which appears to have been coined by Hellenized Jews and denotes both a religious and a national concept and has been described as an entire "way of life," or "civilisation." (Yes the "Jews" were under Greek influences even way back then)...
Now common we both know that "Jesus/Joshua" was seen as a messiah by his followers who were looking for a leader to take them out of the oppresive rule of the Roman occupiers, a bit like Simon bar Kokhba did a 100 odd years later.. so his intention was to overthrow not rule.
It was Sh'ual who added the flourishes you cite above when he turned the story into a more acceptable Pagan version... |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:58 pm |
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Hey Paul - how you diddling, still winning on the poker games I hope?
I don't disagree that this Christ was portrayed as the fulfilment - I just disagree that this is what the character it was based on was trying to achieve.
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