Also on the lookout for some Thomas Merton (on Vix's recommendation), I hear the The Seven Storey Mountain is excellent.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:43 pm
Shaker
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Merton's published diaries (in several volumes) are very good.
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 10:50 pm
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Picked up a copy of Prof Dawkins book "TGD" - haven't started it yet though because I also picked up a copy of R.H. Green's "The Born Again Sceptic's Guide To The Bible" as well......
So started that first.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 11:45 pm
Taxman
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I am reading "The Edge of Evolution," by Michael Behe. The Wikipedia article on the book says:
Quote:
The Edge of Evolution
Main article: The Edge of Evolution
In 2007, Behe's book The Edge of Evolution was published arguing that while evolution can produce changes within species, there is a limit to the ability of evolution to generate diversity, and this limit (the "edge of evolution") is somewhere between species and orders. It was reviewed, by prominent scientists in The New York Times[33], The New Republic[34], The Globe and Mail[35], Publishers Weekly[36], Science[37], and Nature[38] who were highly critical of the work noting that Behe appears to accept almost all of evolutionary theory, barring random mutation, which is replaced with guided mutation at the hand of an unnamed designer.[39]
We have not been reading the same book because Behe thinks that some random mutation does take place, but he places limits on it.
Behe also does some calculations of the odds against random mutation taking place.
I gave an example (Behe uses) of a parasite causing malaria which overcomes drugs used to cure malaria but does not overcome resistance to it found with those with sickle cell - as it should if random mutation takes place. ( See the evolution thread).
"Common descent" is the one item Darwin got right, according to Behe. Behe still thinks that because of the complexity of cilia, which is made like a building being built with robots that there must be a designer.
I have read the first few chapters and the ending chapters in which he draws his conclusions.
I don't meant this to be a continuation of the evolution debate. When I have read the book thoroughly I will comment on it in that debate.
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In addition I am reading a book which is really hard going, and I purchased this one called
The Science before Science. by Anthony Rizzi.
Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:13 pm
The Lords way.
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id The quest for identity in the 21st Century by Susan Greenfield.
To quote the book.
If you have ever wondered what the effect of video games have on your children's minds or worried about how much private information the goverment and Big Companies know about you. ID is the essential reading.
Professor Susan Greenfield argues persuasively that our individuality is under the microscope as never before. Two huge forces - new echnologies and old idealogies-are, in their different ways, impacting on our minds. Never before have we mor
e urgently needed to look at what we want for ourselves as individuals , our children and for our society.
Drawing on the latest findings in neuroscience, Susan Greenfield shows how far we are in control of the development of our brains and minds - looks at how we can promote our own individuality and find fulfilment.
ID is an exploration of what it means to be human in a world of rapid change, a paassionately argued wake-up call and an inspiring challenge to embrace creativity and forge our own identities.
TLW.xx
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:43 pm
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"Real Scientists- Real Faith" which I have just read is well worth exploring.
Very erudite as it is written by several top line people.
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:04 pm
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Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe. Re-reading it really, I first read it in the 1960s. Following interviews with the author on the South Bank Show recently, I was moved to pick it up again.
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:18 pm
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I've just got to the last chapters of 'Devils' by Fyodor Dostoevsky. I've been reading it off and on. I like Dostoevsky. 'Crime and Punishment' was good and so was 'The Idiot'. His books are full of characatures of his age. I feel especially sorry for Shatov in this book. He believes in God, is disillusioned with the liberalism of his age, but he hasn't got faith, and as soon as he gets faith he is murdered. In the book we see the precursors to the Russian Revolution. I guess in some respect the book is prophetic. What scoundrels there are in the book, especially Verhovensky. Dostoevsky is primarily a psycologist and though there would be much I disagree with him, such as his slavophilism, I generally hold to the same ideals, such as ruralism - though I'm not much of a fan of '-isms'.
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:55 am
Shaker
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Apart from Catholicism. And traditionalism
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:33 pm
flying finn
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I am a Catholic and a traditionilist. 'Ism's' are ideologies, but neither of these are ideologies. Christianity is certainly not an ideology, and 'traditional' I would not seperate from the Church, because by nature she is conservative and counter cultural. I dispise change for change's sake. Unfortunately man seems to have an obsession with mindless tinkering. I dispise liberalism even more, because it is the seed of the kind of nihilism described in the book.
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because Behe thinks that some random mutation does take place, but he places limits on it.
Isaiah 54:17 (King James Version)17.(a)No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn.
